Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

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Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door sbarnhoorn » zaterdag 25 sep 2021 6:05 am

Hi:

I am trying to locate contemporaneous records of Birde Ydses of 17th-century Akkrum. A post on this forum from March 2008 shows: "Birde Ydses - x wrsch < 1620, in 1640 Akkrum SC 43." I have no idea what this means.

If someone could shed some light on what records/documents this person appeared in, I would sincerely appreciate it very much.

Gratitude and regards in advance.

In the meantime, the following family structure was presented:

Birde Ydses:
knd:
*Ids Birdes x Sij Botes Nijdam
*Siebren Birdes x Aafke Botes Nijdam: 3 zn 5 dr: Reinu, Nieske, Gertie, Suike, Frouck
*Wlck Birdes x Jan Gerryts x 1645, beiden Irnsum
> Frouk Jans x Oene Frericks x 1671, zij Irnsum hij Grouw - 1698 gebr stem 18 en met zoon eig. stem 19 Grouw - Peen
>>> Birde Oenes x Jeltje Jelles 1694 - wed. in 1728 gebr SC 19 Grouw, eig. Nieske Idzes
>>>>> Ibel Birdes x Oene Frericks 1738

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » zaterdag 25 sep 2021 3:13 pm

Hi,
Birde Ydses - x wrsch < 1620, in 1640 Akkrum SC 43
means: married (x) probably before 1620, [wrsch is the abbreviation of waarschijnlijk]
and owns in 1640 Vote 43 Akkrum.

SC = StemCohier. Register of votes.
www.allefriezen.nl has the data from StemCohieren 1689 en 1728,
www.hisigis.nl has the data from StemCohier 1640.

In my own notes I found:
uses stem 42 Grouw in 1640.

Furthermore I have parents:
Eetse Johaensz born ca. 1565 married unknown girl Ottes
< Otte Rommerts married Tyall Hotses.
In 1613 (RA IDA C1 102) Eetse Johaenz, mede vanwege de andere erfgenamen van Otte Rommerts en Tyall Hotsedr, contra Douwe Jetses c.s.
Siblings:
Tabe Itses x Jantien Mirx ca. 1620. xx Antie Jans 1642
Hil Itses x Outger Alberts - 1636
Otto Itses x ca. 1630 Antie Bouwes
Tjalling Itses x Yd Johannes 1656 (Married earlier N.N.?- SC 1640 Tialling Edses met vrouw stem 22 Akkrum)
Johaen Itses x Popck Leukes 1656
Rioerd Itses x N.N.
SC 1640 - Ruirt en Otto Idses - SC 47 Akkrum
Inventarisation 1652 - Otto en Ruyrt voogd over de knd van Tabe Ytses.
GEN1018, blz. 10:
Johaen Itses en Wybbe Leuckes treden op als voogden over het weeskind van wijlen Ryeurd Itses. De voogden leggen een rekening over van de voogdij die Ryeurd had waargenomen aan de medevoogd Tziaelling Itses.
Het gaat inmiddels alleen nog maar om Saecke en Ryeurd Tabbes, aangezien Tziaelling Tabbes (in of voor 1655) handlichting verkregen had ("meerderjarig" verklaard was). Er is ook nog sprake van een scheidingsakte tussen de erven van Tabbe Itses van 29-06-1654 (deze is echter niet terug te vinden in de weesboeken).
Greetings, Margreet.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door sbarnhoorn » zaterdag 25 sep 2021 4:54 pm

Birde Ydses - x wrsch < 1620, in 1640 Akkrum SC 43
Hi:

All I could find was this entry (number 19):

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903 ... cat=233870

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » zondag 26 sep 2021 2:21 pm

I cannnot read it very well.
My notes and the hisgis now say "user" not "owner".
SC 42 is on scan 80 - SC 47 (Otto and Ruurd Idses) is on scan 83,
but I don't see them there either.
Simon Wierstra places Birde on stem 10, but I don not see him there.
Hisgis even has a Jan Idses user on SC 37 (maybe Johaen Idses?)

Strange.
I'm also starting to doubt if these scans are from an original book.
The writings above the columns are not consistent - they vary between:
Eijgenaars - Bruquers [=gebruikers =users]
Eijgenaars - Meijers
Bruquers - Eijgenaars
Eijgenaars 1640 - Eijgenaars 1698
Clooster meijer - Eijgenaars 1698

I have no idea what kind of book this could be.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » zondag 26 sep 2021 2:47 pm

I trust the Hisgis more than the scans of the mormons.
In 1640 they didn't know they were going to write down the data of 1698 as well,
so why already keep space?
And why not 4 columns?
Why suddenly nameless "clooster meijer"?

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door sbarnhoorn » zondag 26 sep 2021 3:30 pm

I trust the Hisgis more than the scans of the mormons.
Where on Hisgis can I find the information? I am not finding anything but general stuff but no specifics links to scans or anything.

Thanks.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » zondag 26 sep 2021 8:26 pm

There are no scans in Hisgis.
But I think their data are from the original registers.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » zondag 26 sep 2021 8:55 pm

By https://www.geneaknowhow.net/digi/bronnen.html
> Friesland
I found this book, a typed version, not the written one:
Provincie Friesland, stemkohiers 1640 en 1698 [PDF] betreft Utingeradeel, Aengwirden, Doniawerstal, Haskerland, Schoterland en Lemsterland

https://books.google.nl/books?id=n9otXy ... &q&f=false

Here also variation, first some pages 1640, then the same farms in 1698
then again some pages 1640, followed by the same farms in 1698.

Birde Ydses is on page 68, followed by the situation in 1698.
Otto and Ruird Idses are on page 70.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door sbarnhoorn » zondag 26 sep 2021 9:27 pm

Thanks, Margreet. Strange Familysearch didn't contain the entries but the book does. Makes me wonder if the scans on Familysearch are not from the original records?

In the meantime, I turned this book up. My apologies for the long hyperlink. Please take a look at page 329. Unsure what to make of it:

https://www.academia.edu/19757724/De_Fr ... 991_416_pp

Again, my gratitude.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door sbarnhoorn » zondag 26 sep 2021 9:39 pm

Margreet:

Thanks again.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » maandag 27 sep 2021 11:43 am

Somewhre round 1580 the catholic religion was forbidden and the possessions of the monasteries were confiscated.
Round 1640 they were sold.
This list tries to identify the lands of the monasteries in de Boornestreek, i.e. also around Akkrum, which monastery and where they were located.

They try this through selling documents (deeds) from 1638, 1639, 1640 and 1644.
In those documents were also named the users of the land, the size, and the taxes.
They compare them with the "Register of monastery possessions and outcomes" in the year 1606/1607 and with StemCohier 1640, and FloreenCohier 1642.

So in year 1639 - deed 203 - Focke Abes is named as user.
They then guess it is the same property, where Birde is in SC 1640 -
by comparing taxes ( hence sizes) - but are not absolutely sure.

Greetings, Margreet.

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Re: Record of Birde Ydses of 17th century Akkrum

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » maandag 27 sep 2021 11:50 am

-continuation-
Maybe you can throw this article through Google Translate?
https://pure.knaw.nl/ws/portalfiles/por ... rmatie.pdf
"
A section:
"Hier blijkt het echter mogelijk viervijfde van het kloosterbezit te karteren door de gegevens van de
boekhouding van 1607/1607 via de overgeleverde boerderij lijsten van de
verkopingen uit de jaren 1638-1644 te koppelen aan kadastrale
boerderijreconstructies uit later tijd. Dat geeft uitstekende mogelijkheden om
de ligging van de diverse kloostercomplexen ten tijde van de opheffing na te
gaan. Het daaruit ontstane ruimtelijke beeld kan vervolgens per
kloosterdomein weer retrospectief geanalyseerd worden op basis van wat er
verder aan kennis over de vorming en ontwikkeling van de betreffende
kloosterdomeinen bekend is.

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