Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

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Aaron
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Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

Bericht door Aaron » dinsdag 23 okt 2012 3:41 pm

Hello,

I was wondering if there is any resource available to match the old C19th Frisian house addresses with modern street addresses.

The volkstellingen, bevolkingsregisters and sometimes death certificates from the 1800s give addresses such as "huis no. 120 te Lemmer" or "huis no. 53 te Oudehaske".

It would be useful to be able to match these with a modern street address to see if the original building where the family lived still stands.

Thanks,

Aaron Atsma

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Re: Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

Bericht door hans » dinsdag 30 okt 2012 1:49 pm

You may want to check the Frisian part of www.hisgis.nl containing house and land info.
For some Frisian cities or areas specific publications exist that link old to new numbering of houses. E.g. for Dokkum this exists and to some extent Dongeradelen. Unfortunately the publication Dokkum in Kadastraal Perspectief had to be removed from our website recently.

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Re: Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

Bericht door Andries Koornstra » woensdag 31 okt 2012 11:55 am

Aaron,

generally speaking housenumbers in 19th century records never match those used today. And it gets worse: there's no uniformity, each town, village, municipality has done and changed them differently.

Tips:
Try to obtain a cadastrenumber. These change too, but there are some old maps that can be useful to locate properties http://www2.tresoar.nl/kaarten/minuutplans.php or http://www.hisgis.nl
Some local history sites have done research for their own village or town. Try to find those sites by googling them.

Andries.

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Re: Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

Bericht door Aaron » donderdag 1 nov 2012 1:06 pm

Thank you,

How often did the house numbers change? Was it just once from numbers to street addresses or were houses also renumbered during the 1800s?
I noticed they were still not using street addresses in 1928 in the Friesland Addressbook on Tresoar:
http://www2.tresoar.nl/adresboek1928/

The hisgis.nl guide looks very useful. I was able to find one property (the "Homingastate"). But I'm not sure how to interpret this information--

This seems to be the main house--

Tje A129 (Kadaster 1832 gebouwen fryslan)
gebow TjeA129
soort eigendom Huis en Erf
bel inkomen 45
Tje A129 (Kadaster 1832 percelen fryslan)
perceel Tje A129
naam Homminga
voornamen Erven Sijbe Sieukes
woonplaats Tjerkwerd
legger Tjerkwerd 89
soort eigendom Huis en Erf
inhoudsgrootte 960
klassering 1
minuutplan Tjerkwerd A1

And then about 10 plots of land attached to it of various sizes--

also Tjerkwerd 89
Tje A128 Weiland 1530
Tje A155 Weiland 25670
Tje A154 Weiland 2570
etc.

Family death certificates from 1830 and 1837 give the Homminga property as "huis nummer 27 te Tjerkwerd" which doesn't match any of these numbers. Its very confusing!

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Re: Matching C19th house numbers with C20th street addresses

Bericht door Margreet Huisman » vrijdag 2 nov 2012 3:31 pm

Hi,

Tjerkwerd has been researched - http://www.tsjerkwert.nl
I found HommingaState in Straten/Streets - it is Ymswalde 7
http://www.tsjerkwert.nl/Mambo/index.ph ... Itemid=138
and on maps.google.com Eemswouderlaan 7 - Maatschap Twijnstra.
It would be nr 81 in the adresboek 1928. (Jac. Twijnstra veeh.)
(where the big cities use streetnames, but the villages not).

Maybe it is easier to just choose eigenaren/owners 1832, and not the percelen/plots and bebouwing (houses, sheds etc)
The result-window blocks the view, but you can drag it aside
since the result is drawn in the map. A red block.
You can try and find it back on today-maps.
I used your percelen also - and since they are (wealthy) farmers, they indeed own a lot of tiny pieces meadows - widespread.
In this case it's nice to choose also Stemcohier and Floreencohier in the Chartlayers/Kaartlagen in the uppermenu.
since it is the old family property.
By clicking the red block 1832, you can see in the information-panel right the history:
stem 15 in 1640 and 1698, floreen 15 in 1728 - and they also owned floreen 23 in 1700.

Hisgis 1832 uses Kadaster-language. It roughly uses 3 types of numbering.
1- Legger Here 89.
De kadastrale legger is per kadastrale gemeente op naam van de eigenaar ingericht. Per eigenaar worden onder een leggerartikel alle percelen genoemd die hij of zij in die ene gemeente bezit. Daarbij worden ook de namen van eventuele mede-eigenaren en vruchtgebruikers genoteerd. Per perceel worden de oppervlakte, het gebruik, de klassering en de belastbare opbrengst vermeld. Van de eigenaar zijn in ieder geval naam, woonplaats en beroep genoteerd. In latere leggers wordt soms ook zijn adres vermeld.
Google-translation:
The cadastral register is a cadastral municipality on behalf of the owner. By owner under a layer article lists all parcels he or she owns in that one municipality. The information should include the names of any co-owners and usufructuaries noted. Each plot has the surface, the use, classification and taxable yield. Of the owner at least the name, residence and occupation listed. In subsequent layers is also sometimes listed his address.

2-They measured each piece of land in the OAT- Oorspronkelijk Aanwijzende Tafels/Originally Designating Tables and called it:
Tjerkwerd A, section 129, lot/perceelsnummer 1530 - or Tjerkwerd A, section 155 perceelsnummer 25670.
You can guess they are not side by side.
3-Minuutplan- is the exact drawing of the parcels on a map. Here the house on map A1, the meadows on ?
You can track the history of each perceel (divided, combined, number disappeared etc) at the Kadaster.
Tjerkwerd in total has 7 minuutplans.
Koop-akten at the notary/lawyer may also lists size, location, use, neighbours North, East, South and West, and the value.

The numbering used in the death-certificates is a totally different one.
One of the heirs/erven Sijbe (died 1804) = Eling Homminga 1791, died 1848, states just Tjerkwerd
and his wife Akke Flapper died 1837, Tjerkwerd, letter T, nr 27.
Also Wiebe Siebes Homminga died 1823, Tjerkwerd L T nr 27 ( L being the abbreviation of Letter).
Those syllables/letters are important if you want to locate a house.
Most villages and towns were divided into 'wijken' or 'espel' - quarters, districts, neighborhoods-using A,B,C and so on-plus nr.
The local archives may have 'wijkregisters' - and sometimes maps - who lived where.
The numbering can change several times over the years, eilas.
Some councils have 'om-nummer-tabellen'- lists of old<>new numbers, so you can follow the changes.

Greetings Margreet
NB Balk has been researched at http://www.langsdeluts.nl
van Swinderenstraat 1 shows:
* kadastrale gemeente Balk, sectie A nummer 285, huis en erf in 1832
* the owners
* minuutplan 1832, netplan 1887
* Kadastrale kaarten 1832 and 1913
* several adverbs in the paper using streetnames and kadaster-numbering.
* huisnummering: ???? - (1839) Balk 27;
(1859) - 1910 Balk 33;
1910 - 1920 Balk 39;
1920 - 1930 Balk 37;
1930 - 1953 Balk 39;
1953 - heden van Swinderenstraat 1
* and all the sources they consulted, including several woningregisters and registers of huisnummering.

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